Sons Of God ,Who Are They ???????????????
Are the sons of God angles ?
Are the sons of God man ?
ESV 78v with Son and God in the same verse with 11 exact phrases sons of God
KJV 74 -11 exact
Nasb 161 -10 exact
Niv 59-6 exact
Nlt 42-2 exact
2 verses, use son's of God in all the versions stated above.
Gen 6: 2,4 the verses that seem to be most contested as to who is being spoke of. taking a courtisy look at these 2 verses in other tranlations show NKJ ,HCS, NCV,God Word Translation all use son's of God .
The living Bible ,,Todays English Version ,an Conteporary English Use diffrent terms.Spirit bieng of supernatural biengs
The Word of God does give the answer to both ?'s this can be debated and evidence to show one thing or another and not have any agreement on the answer.
The term "sons's of God " does in fact referr to both man and angles . the debate come's in Gen 6.
Gen 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
So Are these Sons of God men or angles? There are 2 oppinions about this .
1st the sons of God are the offspring of the Godly line of seth and the ungodly line of cain, because this union was so unholy that God decided to remove the wickedness from the Earth..
It was quit difficult to find scriture to support this view .
Deut 14:1 "You are the sons of the LORD your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead.
This is being spoken to the Isreal to not do as the pagens do. But what about the next verse.
Deut 14:2 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.
Had God truly choosen them prior to the flood?or wasn't it after Abraham that God Choose Isreal to be his people ? So because God new he would choose them does that make them the sons spoken of ? NO.
the next verse is used the most to say that the sons spoken of are not angles.
Mark 12: 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Whats the problem here as it appliese to Gen 6 ? If the sons of gen 6 are fallen angles then they wouldn't be like the angles in heaven ,they would be in line with Satin to distroy Gods Creation.
Side Note if Angles are spoken of in the masculin then why would they marry? That would go against Gods Morals and charecture. Are there feminum angels.? See Zech 5:9 for a answer.
2 view The sons of God spoken of in Gen 6 are fallen angles.
Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 all speak of sons of God and is understood to be angles .
examle of one verse Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Is there sufficiante evidence to show Gen 6 to mean angles.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
these fallen angles are linked directly to the events leading to the flood.
Jude 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day--7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Jude is speaking of angles that are not only fallen but have steped out of thier boundries.like sodum and gamorra they stepped out of the natural for the unatural.
Is there non-Biblical evidence of The sons of God being angles
In Jude , Jude qoutes Enoch about the coming Judgment of Mankind ,the qoute comes from the book of Enoch
Enoch 1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all,And to destroy all the ungodly:And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
ESV Jude 14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
1 Enoch 6:1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.'
1 Enoch 7:1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
So a book that Jude speaks about states that these sons of God are angles ,the book also goes on to the telling of Noah about the coming Floood judgement.
Althought this book is a apocrapha book the the teaching here seems to support the Bible not contridict it .(such as praying to the dead ,When Gods word says not to.)
My conclusion is that the Demons locked up in the abyss (Rev 9)are indeed these angles of Gen 6 that had relations with mankind. thier sin was not that they turned thier back on God and followed Satan(yes that was a sin) but that they had relations with Mankind ,Satans plane was to distroy mankind to pollute the human race . only the angles that commited this sin are locked up.for if all fallen angles were locked up then this world would probably be in peace?????????????
Just one more verse showing sons of God refering to man kind.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
With this in mind we have no scriptural evidence of angels, fallen or otherwise, having the capacity to reproduce according to their own kind, let alone being able to crossbreed with human men or women. Furthermore we have no real proof that angelic beings have a specific sexual assignment, male or female at all.
ReplyDeleteReason 2. Angels and demons are spiritual beings, not physical. Demons are spirit beings. They are beings called spirits, that is, ones without fleshly bodies (Matt. 8:16; Luke 10:17, 20). Here again we have no Scriptural evidence that these spiritual beings can take a true human form. We see times where angels take on the "appearance" of humanity, like the Gardener in the accounts of the resurrection, the angels that appeared to Lot in Sodom, and various other accounts. All these however were in the context of God sending them as messengers to men. We have no account of angels appearing to men without them being revealed by God, to men, for a purpose.
With this in mind we must turn to general revelation. Without sounding crass there is a specific amount of biology needed to create human life. Sperm and eggs specifically, and in greater detail, DNA. Would these spirit beings have the creative power to make for themselves bodies that actually were fully functional and had these components that could be viable for human reproduction? If so would they cease to be demons, and begin to be humans? If we say they can create for themselves fully functional human bodies then what does that say for the creative act that God Himself employed to create the first human bodies? It renders it far from spectacular, and places it into a category of cheap parlor tricks that any spirit-being can do. Furthermore We would have a bastardized version of the hypostatic union, a race of "god-men" that was created by Satanic influence, rather than immaculate conception, much like the mythological gods and demigods of Roman and Greek worship. A mongrelized creation that has little Scriptural support other than conjecture about this reference in Genesis six.
For some reason it was too long split it up, and the first part became the last! Sorry!
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Great argument saintsandsinners tattoo. be fore I looked into this I leaned towards this being man ,for some of the same reasons .still not totally convinced one way or the other .I will give a deeper reason as to why its man and not angles in Gen 6,One thought that I didn't put in was could this be man indwell ed by fallen angels in order to carry out the skeems of Satan ,to corrupt mankind. Just a thought .Thanks for the in depth answer.
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